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Apple claims copyright to Philippine Flag icon! 1 Year, 1 Month ago Karma: 145  
DISCLAIMER: Anyone who knows me would know that I am a certified Apple fanboy. I love Apple and Steve Jobs and all the devices they've made for us. But this is just ridiculous.


Apple vs iManila and the People of the Philippines


As originally posted by GregR of MangoCode in this thread, Apple's AppStore approval/legal/design guys seems to have made another AppStore booboo.

Apple is claiming that they own the copyright to an icon of our Philippine Flag.

GregR wrote:
"It (iManila) was rejected this time for "copyright violation". Apple is claiming that the icon logo used by the application (the Philippines flag) is a copyright of Apple. This is of course an absurd rejection as it is the national flag of the Philippines and not something that Apple can copyright! I think they may be referring to a similar graphic used by Apple on their Philippines Apple Store webpage that looks similar. Yet, the logo used by iManila was purchased from an independent graphic artist who owns the copyright. I have submitted both my Icon and the Apple Graphic (which are clearly not the same image) back to Apple and have explained that this is not a copy of their image and that I have distribution rights for this graphic. (and that they clearly can not claim copyright on a national flag..)

Hmmm, Apple has a copyright on an image of OUR Philippine flag? I don't think so. See, according to our Flag and Heraldic Code of the Philippines (full text),

REPUBLIC ACT NO. 8491
AN ACT PRESCRIBING THE CODE OF THE NATIONAL FLAG, ANTHEM, MOTTO, COAT-OF-ARMS AND OTHER HERALDIC ITEMS AND DEVICES OF THE PHILIPPINES


SECTION 34. It shall be prohibited:
c) To use the flag:

1) As a drapery, festoon, tablecloth;
2) As covering for ceilings, walls, statues or other objects;
3) As a pennant in the hood, side, back and top of motor vehicles;
4) As a staff or whip;
5) For unveiling monuments or statues; and
6) As trademarks, or for industrial, commercial or agricultural labels or designs.

CHAPTER VII: PENALTIES

SECTION 48. Failure or refusal to observe the provisions of this Act; and any violation of the corresponding rules and regulations issued by the Office of the President, shall after proper notice and hearing, shall be penalized by public censure which shall be published at least once in a newspaper of general circulation.

SECTION 50. Any person or juridical entity which violates any of the provisions of this Act shall, upon conviction, be punished by a fine of not less than Five thousand pesos (P5,000) nor more than Twenty thousand pesos (P20,000), or by imprisonment for not more than one (1) year, or both such fine and imprisonment, at the discretion of the court: Provided, That for any second and additional offenses, both fine and imprisonment shall always be imposed: Provided, further, That in case the violation is committed by a juridical person, its President or Chief Executive Officer thereof shall be liable.


So, Apple, if you're saying that you have a "copyright" claim to an icon of an image of OUR national flag, then I guess you are saying that you are breaking Philippine laws since our laws DO NOT allow anyone to use the image of OUR flag in "trademarks, or for industrial, commercial or agricultural labels or designs.". The penalty for doing so is P5,000.00 to P20,000.00 pesos. or imprisonment for 1 year. And since the offender Apple Inc. is a juridical corporation, our laws say that the person liable will be the Chief Executive Officer, which in this case would be... Steve Jobs?
Note: What is the difference between a copyright and a trademark?

So wow, Apple, seriously... a copyright claim on OUR Philippine Flag? C'mon you're kidding right? Do you really want Steve Jobs to face criminal charges here? I wonder what the good people in the Senate will say about this, although it would be cool if they got Steve Jobs to appear in one of those Senate Blue Ribbon Committees... I'm sure they'd have a field day. But I digress.

Anyway, I'm posting the image that Apple claims it has a "copyright claim" on, together with the iManila icon they rejected for violating their copyright, and a bunch of pics I found on the net.

Apple's Philippine Flag icon in the AppStore which they claim to have a copyright on


Apple's Phil Flag icon in their Website (link)


iManila's (link) icon on the AppStore.
(Which was previously available on the AppStore until GregR pulled it off temporarily. )




Google images search for Philippine Flag icon shows these results:

From iconspedia.com


Philippines Flag icon
Author :
kampongboy92
License:
Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0

Emofaces.com


BigStockPhoto.com


What do you guys think, does Apple own a copyright to our Philippine Flag? Or is Steve Jobs gonna visit the Philippines soon for an "invitation"?

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Heres GregR's post from here.
GregR wrote:
Scorecard: Apple 1, GregR 1

FiC 1.1 was released as many of you know. Score 1 for applei and MangoCode..

iManila (yes there was an app in the store called iManila a LONG time ago):

Unfortunately, I was just informed this morning by Apple that they have rejected my update to get iManila working again for reasons completely unrelated to the actual update. (This is now the 2nd time)

It was rejected this time for "copyright violation". Apple is claiming that the icon logo used by the application (the Philippines flag) is a copyright of Apple. This is of course an absurd rejection as it is the national flag of the Philippines and not something that Apple can copyright! I think they may be referring to a similar graphic used by Apple on their Philippines Apple Store webpage that looks similar. Yet, the logo used by iManila was purchased from an independent graphic artist who owns the copyright. I have submitted both my Icon and the Apple Graphic (which are clearly not the same image) back to Apple and have explained that this is not a copy of their image and that I have distribution rights for this graphic. (and that they clearly can not claim copyright on a national flag..)

The bad news is that reviews by Apple are taking a very long time currently. (~2 weeks) Therefore, it could be another 2 weeks before iManila is re-reviewed by Apple again for release. I will of course extend all effort to accelerate this process with Apple as clearly this was an incorrect rejection.

While I am a huge fan of Apple products and believe their software and hardware is outstanding; this app store process is a joke. It is odd that Apple puts such attention to detail on the own software development (stories of people working for weeks on getting that last pixel just right..), yet has such a sloppy and poorly managed iPhone App Review process that makes crazy rejections such as claiming copyright on the PHILIPPINE FLAG!!!

Sorry again iManila users for the delay..

GregR
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#48425
Re:Apple claims copyright to Philippine Flag icon! 1 Year, 1 Month ago Karma: 0  
Bakit po ba tumigil un unang version ng imanila? May nasagap akong balita, pwede ba malaman kung bakit talaga?
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Re:Apple claims copyright to Philippine Flag icon! 1 Year, 1 Month ago Karma: 145  
shizzle wrote:
Bakit po ba tumigil un unang version ng imanila? May nasagap akong balita, pwede ba malaman kung bakit talaga?

Read this thread for the full story..

iManila and the data provider have reached an agreement and iManila will be out again soon. The last version of iManila stopped working because of some changes in the data provider's site, this update of iManila that Apple recently rejected was supposed to fix that so that iManila would work again.

You'll love the next version of iManila thou...
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#48428
Re:Apple claims copyright to Philippine Flag icon! 1 Year, 1 Month ago Karma: 0  
Ah totoo pala, sabi kasi sakin na ban daw ng owner ng database un imanila kasi free un database tapos
Un imanila may bayad.. Hmmm, atleast good news na maayus na.. Ayus pa naman tong app..
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This is ridiculous indeed.

But on the other hand, if we will use the Republic Act, wouldn't Greg/iManila also be liable for using the flag for "commercial design"? He also mentions that "the logo used by iManila was purchased from an independent graphic artist who owns the copyright". Again, based on the Republic Act, that graphic artist cannot own the copyright of our Philippine flag even if he modified it in certain ways.

But I guess the biggest mistake of Apple is they too claimed "copyright" on our flag.

So who's up for a logo/icon designing contest for iManila?
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Another logo or icon for iManila will make Apple prevent from rejecting this very useful app but Apple should stop claiming copyrights for our flag.

My suggestion for the icon would be a Metro Manila island designed with the colors of our flag.
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Re:Apple claims copyright to Philippine Flag icon! 1 Year, 1 Month ago Karma: 0  
gizmodo mentioned your case

gizmodo.com/5309676/remainders-+-things-we-didnt-post/gallery/

In a sense (not legal) Imperial Manila (hidden meaning of iManila, perhaps?) is not the Philippines. So using the flag just for Manila is kinda wrong.

Put a photo of Alfredo Lim. He'll love you for it.
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haven wrote:
gizmodo mentioned your case

gizmodo.com/5309676/remainders-+-things-we-didnt-post/gallery/

In a sense (not legal) Imperial Manila (hidden meaning of iManila, perhaps?) is not the Philippines. So using the flag just for Manila is kinda wrong.

Put a photo of Alfredo Lim. He'll love you for it.


If you did that, then you'd call it iAlfredoLim. The i in iManila implies a congruence to apple's application of the prefix in its products, like iPod, iPhone, iMac, I'm surprised you missed it.

Apple does not own the Philippine flag, the Philippines does.
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Heres the complete article from Gizmodo


A dude out in the Philippines is pissed off because Apple rejected his iManila tourism app. The cited reason was a "copyright violation" pertaining to the nation's flag used in his app icon. He interprets this to mean that Apple is claiming that it holds the copyright to the Filipino flag, and boy howdy, he is steamed about that. He went so far as to dig up the Filipino government's specific prohibition of any commercial usage of the flag to prove Apple can't own it.

That's the point, guy: Apple is saying you can't use it, for that exact reason. Read the friggin' letter carefully, and you'll probably see I'm right. And to you kind readers, sorry to drag you through this legal gobbledygook. [applei.ph]
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#48500
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I think Apple has gone too far on this!

What next? Apple will claim ownership of the nation itself?

What if we claim ownership of the U.S. Flag icon? How'd they feel about that?
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